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Some of you may or may not know that this beta had a game breaking exploit which allowed players access to unlimited silver, which in turn allowed them to achieve maxed out +15 armor and weapons without having to grind a single bit. 
That's fine, and thankfully this is only beta and that's what it is designed for, to test the game.

However, rather than report the issue, lots of players exploited this and are running around flexing their muscles with max gear, doing node wars and rbf's, and anybody who is trying to progress genuinely, and take part in testing the games features with the events don't stand a chance. 

I don't know why people who want to commit to this game would rather exploit their way to better gear than to earn it and feel a sense of accomplishment.

Anyway I want to raise this issue because its a serious one, and I hope that when the game launches the CM's, GM's and everyone involved at PA will be punishing any accounts that are found to exploit or cheat in any way, shape or form. It has no place in our game and neither do the players that choose to participate in it.

 

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Thanks for posting this.

We are in the final Open Beta. We are 2 weeks away from a March 1st release, and there are economy breaking issues. For a MMO at release, that would mean a rollback or character wipes.

Are we certain this game is ready in the end game?

- We never touched true end game gameplay, areas or spells.

- Barely touched the Marketplace with true economy exchange

- No idea on the Peari Shop economy 

- We will see if the world boss is playable tomorrow. First beta, it was not playable.

And for exploiters, other companies have zero tolerance for cheating regardless of where we are in the stage of the game. Given this game is close to release, the exploters in beta should be perma banned. Zero tolerance.

Not sure how Pearl Abyss handles cheating on PC, but I’d like to see their stance for console. Somewhere Microsoft has a say since the game requires Xbox Live and there are TOS there around cheating.

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4 minutes ago, Uberkull said:

And for exploiters, other companies have zero tolerance for cheating regardless of where we are in the stage of the game. Given this game is close to release, the exploters in beta should be perma banned. Zero tolerance.

Not sure how Pearl Abyss handles cheating on PC, but I’d like to see their stance for console. Somewhere Microsoft has a say since the game requires Xbox Live and there are TOS there around cheating.

I agree, I have no time whatsoever for anybody who uses exploits in a game, beta or not. But that decision lies with PA and I doubt any punishments would be issued.

As far the PC version goes, they had been pretty slow to react to cheaters but recently have been banning accounts at regular intervals but usually only if there is 3rd party software used. The pc version was kinda plagued with marketplace bots, fishing bots, speed hacks ect. We shouldn't have to worry about 3rd party software in our version. With regards to players who have abused exploits, they have been slightly more lenient, deciding to instead remove any gains from the player and issue temp bans rather than permanent.

I have faith that our CM's and GM's will not tolerate any form of cheating.

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2 minutes ago, Girl_Number8 said:

At least they are aware of it which is what betas help reveal, as well. I am sure they will fix this before live.😊

They fixed it already :) to be fair they resolved it pretty quickly so that's good.

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5 minutes ago, Paddy_Whack said:

They fixed it already :) to be fair they resolved it pretty quickly so that's good.

That's great that they responded so quickly, thnx for the update.

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Well, this explains some stuff. I definitely wasn't optimal, but I didn't think I'd be so far behind. I made semi reasonable gains, but gear disparity in beta was unreal. Permanently ban kids exploiting stuff like this so it's reported, not spread around. Maybe get one warning on their account, but then completely ban them if it happens again.

This game requires a stupid amount of time played and money invested, and my money and time is severely undervalued if people who exploit stuff like this are allowed to keep playing.

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2 minutes ago, Alder said:

Well, this explains some stuff. I definitely wasn't optimal, but I didn't think I'd be so far behind. I made semi reasonable gains, but gear disparity in beta was unreal. Permanently ban kids exploiting stuff like this so it's reported, not spread around. Maybe get one warning on their account, but then completely ban them if it happens again.

This game requires a stupid amount of time played and money invested, and my money and time is severely undervalued if people who exploit stuff like this are allowed to keep playing.

They wouldn't be in the game long, to notice. I believe the GMs will be watching players like a hawk.

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5 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

They wouldn't be in the game long, to notice. I believe the GMs will be watching players like a hawk.

We can hope.

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just curios is the exploit your talking about the pet food thing? buy it from the stable vendor sell it on AH for like 250k or something? 

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I don't know what they were doing, but the stable feed was cheap AF on PC for the longest time, a lot of us bought a TON, and sold it over time. I mean I bought 5 bil in guardian seals and made 10bil selling them back for profit starting around Halloween last year (only to lose most of it going for PEN attempts). That isn't an exploit just BDOs stupid market mechanics. 

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On 2/16/2019 at 8:53 PM, Uberkull said:

Given this game is close to release, the exploters in beta should be perma banned. Zero tolerance.

While I agree that exploiting in full release should result in bans depending on the severity, but for exploiting in a beta then No it should not result in bans because this is what a beta is for, testing for many things including exploits. 

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12 minutes ago, LofiVibes said:

just curios is the exploit your talking about the pet food thing? buy it from the stable vendor sell it on AH for like 250k or something? 

Wait, is this what people are calling an exploit? Do they not realise this is how business works even in th real world lol, buy cheap sell high. 

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1 minute ago, Verbz said:

While I agree that exploiting in full release should result in bans depending on the severity, but for exploiting in a beta then No it should not result in bans because this is what a beta is for, testing for many things including exploits. 

yeah "exploits" on PTS' or Betas are how you find out what to fix. I hope we exploited a lot to find out all the small stuff so PA can patch them out on Day 1. 

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6 minutes ago, Verbz said:

Wait, is this what people are calling an exploit? Do they not realise this is how business works even in th real world lol, buy cheap sell high. 

No idea that was the only "exploit" i heard people having an issue with if there was another one that was a big as people are making it out to be then i guess the people doing it kept it under wraps really well.

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8 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

yeah "exploits" on PTS' or Betas are how you find out what to fix. I hope we exploited a lot to find out all the small stuff so PA can patch them out on Day 1. 

Indeed, even after release we still need players to break the game to find these things out, I know people tend to not say they found an exploit but before long someone puts it on YouTube and it gets fixed... 

 

I don't think outright bans for exploiting should happen, I do feel there needs to be a case by case review on it, say for example with fallout 76 there was a thing where you could craft a throwing knife, dismantle it and get the same amount of materials you need to craft so people was doing it to get free XP and level quick, this is a clever use of game mechanics and in my eyes doesn't require a ban, it's a dev problem and requires a fix and no other actions. 

 

Things such as duping for example is something in my view that requires bans. 

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8 minutes ago, LofiVibes said:

No idea that was the only "exploit" i heard people having an issue with if there was another one that was a big as people are making it out to be then i guess the people doing it kept it under wraps really well.

There probably was something else, and it is a shame players don't report it straight away, you do find most people will take any advantage they can get without morales, but it's those same people who complain if things don't go their way lol

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On 2/16/2019 at 2:15 PM, Paddy_Whack said:

Some of you may or may not know that this beta had a game breaking exploit which allowed players access to unlimited silver, which in turn allowed them to achieve maxed out +15 armor and weapons without having to grind a single bit. 
That's fine, and thankfully this is only beta and that's what it is designed for, to test the game.

However, rather than report the issue, lots of players exploited this and are running around flexing their muscles with max gear, doing node wars and rbf's, and anybody who is trying to progress genuinely, and take part in testing the games features with the events don't stand a chance. 

I don't know why people who want to commit to this game would rather exploit their way to better gear than to earn it and feel a sense of accomplishment.

Anyway I want to raise this issue because its a serious one, and I hope that when the game launches the CM's, GM's and everyone involved at PA will be punishing any accounts that are found to exploit or cheat in any way, shape or form. It has no place in our game and neither do the players that choose to participate in it.

 

what was the exploit? since its fixed now id like to know.

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2 minutes ago, LofiVibes said:

what was the exploit? since its fixed now id like to know.

I second that, I'm intrigued also

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35 minutes ago, Verbz said:

Wait, is this what people are calling an exploit? Do they not realise this is how business works even in th real world lol, buy cheap sell high. 

You don't seem to understand what it actually was. 

Cheap pet feed was sold in the market for 2.500.000 x 1, market bought it instantly from you without there being an actual buyer. When we caught a guy there had been 4500 sold and he had maxed everything in the first day of beta. 

 

4500x2.500.000=11.2 billion silver. Do you state that this is not an exploit, sir?

So with the money, people could post +0 weapons for example and buy +7 and extract said weapons for black stones to upgrade.

 

People also did 6 characters, did the rednose quest on every character > burned the shudad armor on every > got cron stones worth 10 millions per shudad armor = 60 million. 

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Was a bug where you could sell +0 items buy +7 items from market without them being ever put up - and from here you can extract said items to get black stones from them. 

There was also a bug where you could buy cheap feed from stable and sell to market for 2.500.000 x1 (market buys them from you without there being an actual  buyer) there was 4500 sold on EU - equals to 11B. 

While others ran around with +3-+8 weapons and armors, some - like this topic - ran around with full +15. :)

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Betty said:

You don't seem to understand what it actually was. 

Cheap pet feed was sold in the market for 2.500.000 x 1, market bought it instantly from you without there being an actual buyer. When we caught a guy there had been 4500 sold and he had maxed everything in the first day of beta. 

 

4500x2.500.000=11.2 billion silver. Do you state that this is not an exploit, sir?

So with the money, people could post +0 weapons for example and buy +7 and extract said weapons for black stones to upgrade.

 

People also did 6 characters, did the rednose quest on every character > burned the shudad armor on every > got cron stones worth 10 millions per shudad armor = 60 million. 

well at least when the game go's live to buy all those outfits you need to spend real money so there's that. it was 2.5 mil ouch had no idea it was that bad. I forgot all about the pulling +7 and +5 outta thin air.

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4 minutes ago, LofiVibes said:

well at least when the game go's live to buy all those outfits you need to spend real money so there's that. it was 2.5 mil ouch had no idea it was that bad. I forgot all about the pulling +7 and +5 outta thin air.

Yup exactly, none of it was intended obviously - which means all actions were exploits in my opinion. People are going to state otherwise but I guess the majority of the community knows what it is, people should also ask themselves if they wanna be in a guild that accepts that. 

Just my 2 cents

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1 hour ago, Betty said:

You don't seem to understand what it actually was. 

Cheap pet feed was sold in the market for 2.500.000 x 1, market bought it instantly from you without there being an actual buyer. When we caught a guy there had been 4500 sold and he had maxed everything in the first day of beta. 

 

4500x2.500.000=11.2 billion silver. Do you state that this is not an exploit, sir?

So with the money, people could post +0 weapons for example and buy +7 and extract said weapons for black stones to upgrade.

 

People also did 6 characters, did the rednose quest on every character > burned the shudad armor on every > got cron stones worth 10 millions per shudad armor = 60 million. 

For starters Sir Verbz is my father, you may refer to me as Verb, dude or me lord. 

 

Now I am not stating that it wasn't an exploit, I had no idea that the mp gave the silver out straight away, it was my understanding that you only got paid when another player bought your items for sale. 

 

Now at the end of the day this is a beta and as such it is for testing and finding problems with the game such as exploits, for people to come on the forums spouting for bans during a beta is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen or heard when it comes to gaming, so what if someone found an exploit in a beta, I'm happy for that to happen because guess what, that has since been fixed and hopefully we don't see it in the release. 

 

I for one welcome players finding exploits in both beta and release so they can get fixed and prevent long term abuse of the system. 

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1 hour ago, Nightingale said:

I don't know what they were doing, but the stable feed was cheap AF on PC for the longest time, a lot of us bought a TON, and sold it over time. I mean I bought 5 bil in guardian seals and made 10bil selling them back for profit starting around Halloween last year (only to lose most of it going for PEN attempts). That isn't an exploit just BDOs stupid market mechanics. 

The pet feed exploit was the main issue in this post. The team fixed it quickly when it was brought to their attention and that's a good thing. Buying something cheap from the market and selling it back when prices rise has nothing to do with this. That is a genuine investment and nothing like what this post is about.

The other issue was getting an ultimate pack for every character that beat Red Nose, which I'm pretty sure was not supposed to happen. Players then opened the costumes, melted each piece at a blacksmith for cron stones, and sold the crons to a NPC earning about 10 million silver for each toon they did that on. If players did it on 1 toon, then thats fine. Its a completely genuine feature of the game and the player gets 10mill and sacrifices his costume. Doing it multiple times with costumes you should not have gotten IS ABUSING AN EXPLOIT. 

It absolutely amazes and actually worries me how many people think that doing this was ok and completely fair. And then those that brag about their gear as if they had actually achieved something.

The players that abused these exploits during beta will be the same people doing it again if the chance arises when the game goes live and that is the point I am making in this post. PA need to be firm with this issue and set an example from the start if issues like this arise after launch.

 

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