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Energy Investment in Nodes Lowers Item Drop Rate

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Bug:

Investing energy in nodes is supposed to increase item drop rate. Every tenth mob is supposed to get a %increase based on node level. However, investigating energy in nodes is lowering drop rate of  unique mobs.

Please ensure you look into this. This was an issue on PC last year. It looks like this issue has made its way onto Xbox.

 

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Lvl nodes above lvl 4 gives negative effect on rare and thrash loot drops, lvl 4 is what you want to be on.

Known issue even on pc for years. 

Try lvl 4 node i guarantee it works.

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Level ten node. 5-10 scrolls an hour at fogans. 1-2 serpahs in 4 hours. 10-15 weakened asulas. Never any bmcs tho. Still Seems fine to me. If you want to actually test and report this i suggest getting 100 players to test drops per hour on each level node. Otherwise your just trying to call rng and it doesnt work that way. 

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34 minutes ago, MakeumRage said:

Level ten node. 5-10 scrolls an hour at fogans. 1-2 serpahs in 4 hours. 10-15 weakened asulas. Never any bmcs tho. Still Seems fine to me. If you want to actually test and report this i suggest getting 100 players to test drops per hour on each level node. Otherwise your just trying to call rng and it doesnt work that way. 

It has been tested for years, it seems random for players but it buggs out many times after every patch.

 

Resetting node can also help.

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4 hours ago, MakeumRage said:

Level ten node. 5-10 scrolls an hour at fogans. 1-2 serpahs in 4 hours. 10-15 weakened asulas. Never any bmcs tho. Still Seems fine to me. If you want to actually test and report this i suggest getting 100 players to test drops per hour on each level node. Otherwise your just trying to call rng and it doesnt work that way. 

I understand it's RNG and certainly any "evidence" is provide is anecdotal because of sample size. 

Kamasylvia Blessing (20% increased  item drop rate) active the whole time

May 10th (Fri)- Three hours at Nagas. Tier 0 Node. No loot scrolls. One Seraps drop. Didn't keep track of Stones or scrolls, but scrolls dropped consistently. 

May 11th (Sat)- Eight hours at Nagas. Tier 0 Node. With use 5 loot scrolls. Six Seraps drops on Saturday. Didn't track Stones or scrolls, but I was getting scrolls approx every 15 minutes or so.

Invested all energy across all alts into Nodes Sunday morning (May 12) and continued to invest energy into node until Tier 7 throughout the day.

May 12th - May 13 farmed mobs approx 9 hours total over two days. No Seraps. 1 scroll per hour on average. Some hours I'd get as many as two, some hours I wouldn't get any.This is with and without loot scrolls.

Reset node on May 14th.

May 14 - approx three hours. No Seraps. intermittent scrolls.

May 15 (last night) Six hours at Nagas last night. Intermittent scrolls. No Seraps.  Combination with and without loot scrolls.

So approximately 18 hours from May 12 - May 15. No Seraps and intermittent language scrolls. I'm not sure on total mobs killed per hour, but I have  (1)T3, (2)T2, and (1)T1 pets out. Getting about 3500 trash loot per hour. So likely somewhere around 2500 -3000 mobs per hour. Being conservative and using 2500 mobs per hour gives us 2500 x 18 = 45000 mobs killed. The Seraps drop rate for the mobs is between 0.002 - 0.008% according to https://bddatabase.net/us/item/11628/. Due to mob make up, the Seraps drop date will be much closer to the 0.002%. So to be conservative, 2 Seraps drops on average for every 1000 mobs killed. 
With Kamasylvia blessing the drop rate for Seraps should be 2.4 for every 1000 mobs killed. 2.4 x 45 = 108 Seraps with great RNG. This doesn't even count the 8 or so loot scrolls I've used. Yet in 18 hours of grinding Nagas since Sunday, I have seen ZERO Seraps. 

There is something seriously wrong with the Node energy investment for some players and resetting the Node doesn't seem to make a difference.

 

 

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Have you also taken into account hot time is all weekend.. thats an increased drop rate. Unless your grinding at night for those weekday hours as well.

Level max node. 3 seraphs 22 scrolls. Kama blessing. 5 luck. 3 hours. Thats just this morning... again. Nothing is wrong. Its just your rng. Level 5+ node 2 guildes pulled 2 serphs a piece within two hours. (Coulda been less) 

 

people just dont seem to get at 99% drop rate you still can NEVER see a drop. Its not statistically impossible. Its literally the actual statistic. It is improbable. Thats why plenty of players around you get it just fine. Also understand seraphs shares a loot table with other things. So that rng roll doesnt get you that drop.. and if resetting the node does nothing ITS NOT THE NODE or noone would have success. Its just rng man. Stop overthinking it. 

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23 minutes ago, MakeumRage said:

Have you also taken into account hot time is all weekend.. thats an increased drop rate. Unless your grinding at night for those weekday hours as well.

Level max node. 3 seraphs 22 scrolls. Kama blessing. 5 luck. 3 hours. Thats just this morning... again. Nothing is wrong. Its just your rng. Level 5+ node 2 guildes pulled 2 serphs a piece within two hours. (Coulda been less) 

 

people just dont seem to get at 99% drop rate you still can NEVER see a drop. Its not statistically impossible. Its literally the actual statistic. It is improbable. Thats why plenty of players around you get it just fine. Also understand seraphs shares a loot table with other things. So that rng roll doesnt get you that drop.. and if resetting the node does nothing ITS NOT THE NODE or noone would have success. Its just rng man. Stop overthinking it. 

You dont know the history behind this on pc, go read up on those forums.

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1 hour ago, MakeumRage said:

Have you also taken into account hot time is all weekend.. thats an increased drop rate. Unless your grinding at night for those weekday hours as well.

Level max node. 3 seraphs 22 scrolls. Kama blessing. 5 luck. 3 hours. Thats just this morning... again. Nothing is wrong. Its just your rng. Level 5+ node 2 guildes pulled 2 serphs a piece within two hours. (Coulda been less) 

 

people just dont seem to get at 99% drop rate you still can NEVER see a drop. Its not statistically impossible. Its literally the actual statistic. It is improbable. Thats why plenty of players around you get it just fine. Also understand seraphs shares a loot table with other things. So that rng roll doesnt get you that drop.. and if resetting the node does nothing ITS NOT THE NODE or noone would have success. Its just rng man. Stop overthinking it. 

I farmed 8 hours on Sunday - all Hottime. Nothing

A lot of of my weekday farming is after 10 PM EDT, again hottime. Nothing.

Kami blessing. loot scrolls, luck, and around 45000 mobs, nothing. No Seraps. very little scrolls. 

Not a super large sample size, but 18 hours, over 45000 mobs, and not one Seraps and very few language scrolls. And this is just Nagas. It was the same at Hasra. I invest in a Node and my drop rate gets broken. May not happen to everyone, yet it's certainly happening to me. Getting 10 Seraps over an 18 - 20 hours period of constantly farming the mobs is BAD RNG. Getting ZERO drops is an Anomaly that needs to be investigated.

Even beyond the Seraps, getting only 1 - 2 language scrolls an hour with Kami Blessing and loot scrolls is an Anomally. It has been like this since Sunday. 

There is something screwy happening with drop % percentage rate. It may not be happening to you, yet Nde Energy investment bug is happening to some of us.

 

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8 hours ago, Scrzorz said:

You dont know the history behind this on pc, go read up on those forums.

Welp considering i played for 2+ years i know the history just fine. I also know the testing they did to prove the results and the sampling sizes and the fact that it was literally night and day. The fact that people with 5+ nodes still rake in fat drops completely disproves the pc issue being brought over. It just did not happen on pc once you brought the node up. On pc it literally felt like negative drop percentage, you very rarely if at all heard of someone pulling decent drops IF ANY RARE ONES AT ALL with energy invested. This isnt true here. 

 

7 hours ago, sgurschick said:

I farmed 8 hours on Sunday - all Hottime. Nothing

A lot of of my weekday farming is after 10 PM EDT, again hottime. Nothing.

Kami blessing. loot scrolls, luck, and around 45000 mobs, nothing. No Seraps. very little scrolls. 

Not a super large sample size, but 18 hours, over 45000 mobs, and not one Seraps and very few language scrolls. And this is just Nagas. It was the same at Hasra. I invest in a Node and my drop rate gets broken. May not happen to everyone, yet it's certainly happening to me. Getting 10 Seraps over an 18 - 20 hours period of constantly farming the mobs is BAD RNG. Getting ZERO drops is an Anomaly that needs to be investigated.

Even beyond the Seraps, getting only 1 - 2 language scrolls an hour with Kami Blessing and loot scrolls is an Anomally. It has been like this since Sunday. 

There is something screwy happening with drop % percentage rate. It may not be happening to you, yet Nde Energy investment bug is happening to some of us.

 

Again define zero drops. Are you getting gear drops. Are you getting weakened asulas. Are you getting BMCs Everytime you kill an add you roll the dice. The nodes and everything else simply give you a higher percentage to get a higher number. I would agree your scroll rate is VERY low compared to most. And thats a 0 node all the way to 10 lol. But again most of my guild and crew run +5 nodes as well as our communities and they are not having this issue whatsoever. Most report no change or increased drops. Think thats the big thing to focus. Is your drops other then trash loot increasing. Because thats what all that stuff does. Increase your % to get something other then trash loot. 

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