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Situation

So me and 2 others were happily killing Super Big Woragans in the Nest for 2 hours and not seen a soul...when in comes a lone player, we just ignore him.  He flags up and kills all 3 of us in 3 seconds before we even realized what happened. We re-spawn and try to fight back, all 3 hitting him (we are 170+ AP each) and we did ...  0.00 points of damage to him.  He killed us all again in about 15 seconds because we were evading. So this character must be PEN across the board and 60+.

Now I dont like PVP I am 100% honest about it. I think that BDO is a awesome game and I love it! I just don't like being forced to fight in the open world at someone else's whim. Now if I am forced to to OWPVP I expect that I should have a reasonable chance of protecting myself or at least find some degree of safety in numbers.

So if the Game is designed that 3 people at 56-58 cannot even put up a fight then the PVP is even more unattractive... unless the Devs believe that BDO is a World where strength determines right from wrong and the powerful treat the weaker players as nothing more then NPC Critters to swat like flies with impunity, then if that is the case .... Well Done PA! You have managed to create a virtual world even less enjoyable than the real world in this aspect.

Suggestion

PVP always needs a leveler ie) a mechanism that always allows players of any level to damage each other and defend against 1 shot hits regardless in the difference in their levels and/or stats to insure that PVP is not a 1 sided stompfest.  It doesn't mean make them equal it means make it possible for 3-4 lower level people to take out a max level whale. Nobody wants to PVP if there is ZERO CHANCE OF DAMAGING your opponent.

Now if the system exists please explain it to me so I can work with it.

Alternative Suggestion

Pacifist Mode.You know sometimes everyone just wants to be left alone. Bad day at work, dog died, whatever. The game should allow us to opt out of OWPVP for say 24 hours of game play a week. Just so we can play without being attacked because we just are not into it today. This seems a reasonable suggestion, you could even make the Pacifist Time a pearl store item, like a value pack.

Thanks PA for allowing us to make suggestions and I hope this makes some modicum of sense to those responsible for disseminating these posts.

 

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In a sence I do agree I mean a one sided battle is boring first of all iv watched so many videos before BDX and mostly the duels ended up in some one getting downed and one comboed and no real chalange...even with top gear and decent lvl I'd expect a chalange in fighting some one and most defenatly a fight longer than 10s for geared folks sadly this is a long known issue. 

 

Regarding the pacifist thing at first I was like neet that be nice but than again... Your grinding and one num nut with pacifist gets in your rota or tow why not tow and you can't do shait about it cuz you can't engage them so tho a good idea it bites back. 

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13 hours ago, DaxRazor said:

Situation

So me and 2 others were happily killing Super Big Woragans in the Nest for 2 hours and not seen a soul...when in comes a lone player, we just ignore him.  He flags up and kills all 3 of us in 3 seconds before we even realized what happened. We re-spawn and try to fight back, all 3 hitting him (we are 170+ AP each) and we did ...  0.00 points of damage to him.  He killed us all again in about 15 seconds because we were evading. So this character must be PEN across the board and 60+.

Now I dont like PVP I am 100% honest about it. I think that BDO is a awesome game and I love it! I just don't like being forced to fight in the open world at someone else's whim. Now if I am forced to to OWPVP I expect that I should have a reasonable chance of protecting myself or at least find some degree of safety in numbers.

So if the Game is designed that 3 people at 56-58 cannot even put up a fight then the PVP is even more unattractive... unless the Devs believe that BDO is a World where strength determines right from wrong and the powerful treat the weaker players as nothing more then NPC Critters to swat like flies with impunity, then if that is the case .... Well Done PA! You have managed to create a virtual world even less enjoyable than the real world in this aspect.

Suggestion

PVP always needs a leveler ie) a mechanism that always allows players of any level to damage each other and defend against 1 shot hits regardless in the difference in their levels and/or stats to insure that PVP is not a 1 sided stompfest.  It doesn't mean make them equal it means make it possible for 3-4 lower level people to take out a max level whale. Nobody wants to PVP if there is ZERO CHANCE OF DAMAGING your opponent.

Now if the system exists please explain it to me so I can work with it.

Alternative Suggestion

Pacifist Mode.You know sometimes everyone just wants to be left alone. Bad day at work, dog died, whatever. The game should allow us to opt out of OWPVP for say 24 hours of game play a week. Just so we can play without being attacked because we just are not into it today. This seems a reasonable suggestion, you could even make the Pacifist Time a pearl store item, like a value pack.

Thanks PA for allowing us to make suggestions and I hope this makes some modicum of sense to those responsible for disseminating these posts.

 

No you should not and will never get to damage equally with a player whose spent time in the game. Take your low geared no knowledge self to a weaker rotation if you cant hold it. No combat should ever last more then a few seconds with skilled players. Most likely hes in tri gear and understands what Super Armor rotation and cc chain mechanics are. Because he spent his time learning and practicing while you spent yours crying for equality in the forums to make up for your lack of skill in a PvP based game. Getttt outttaaa here with this mess. 

 

How about a real change, make you pass a pvp test to venture further in the game. If you aint ready you take ya self back to the imps in balenos and practice. 

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2 hours ago, MakeumRage said:

No you should not and will never get to damage equally with a player whose spent time in the game. Take your low geared no knowledge self to a weaker rotation if you cant hold it. No combat should ever last more then a few seconds with skilled players. Most likely hes in tri gear and understands what Super Armor rotation and cc chain mechanics are. Because he spent his time learning and practicing while you spent yours crying for equality in the forums to make up for your lack of skill in a PvP based game. Getttt outttaaa here with this mess. 

 

How about a real change, make you pass a pvp test to venture further in the game. If you aint ready you take ya self back to the imps in balenos and practice. 

Is true tho 

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4 hours ago, MakeumRage said:

No you should not and will never get to damage equally with a player whose spent time in the game. Take your low geared no knowledge self to a weaker rotation if you cant hold it. No combat should ever last more then a few seconds with skilled players. Most likely hes in tri gear and understands what Super Armor rotation and cc chain mechanics are. Because he spent his time learning and practicing while you spent yours crying for equality in the forums to make up for your lack of skill in a PvP based game. Getttt outttaaa here with this mess. 

 

How about a real change, make you pass a pvp test to venture further in the game. If you aint ready you take ya self back to the imps in balenos and practice. 

Thanks for reply! Its great to meet a walking poster child for everything wrong in BDO.  Its like a "everything in one place" example that I can just point to. Don't ever change because you are the best tool I could have dreamed for to help people see my point of view. The name ... wow its so perfect.

First off your comprehension skills are atrocious. I clearly said not make them equal. Second. I love the way the vein on your forehead pulses when you type.

I will implement your awesome "git gud" strategy... /eyeroll

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There is a chance that people like MakeumRage will abuse the Pacifist Mode, but in that case you pick yourself up and hop servers or move to another area, you know just suck it up and carry on, just like a lower level person getting ganked in their rotation. 

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4 hours ago, MakeumRage said:

No you should not and will never get to damage equally with a player whose spent time in the game. Take your low geared no knowledge self to a weaker rotation if you cant hold it. No combat should ever last more then a few seconds with skilled players. Most likely hes in tri gear and understands what Super Armor rotation and cc chain mechanics are. Because he spent his time learning and practicing while you spent yours crying for equality in the forums to make up for your lack of skill in a PvP based game. Getttt outttaaa here with this mess. 

 

How about a real change, make you pass a pvp test to venture further in the game. If you aint ready you take ya self back to the imps in balenos and practice. 

Amen. 

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Hey RocketFuel77777 you realize you said "Amen" after a post that was entirely predicated on MakeumRage's complete inability to understand the written word right? So now I have the "Twins" to use as a good example of a bad example.

Thanks for that. 

See my new suggestion and realize I am talking about people like you. (In case you have the same defect as our friend MakeumRage)

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9 hours ago, MakeumRage said:

No you should not and will never get to damage equally with a player whose spent time in the game. Take your low geared no knowledge self to a weaker rotation if you cant hold it. No combat should ever last more then a few seconds with skilled players. Most likely hes in tri gear and understands what Super Armor rotation and cc chain mechanics are. Because he spent his time learning and practicing while you spent yours crying for equality in the forums to make up for your lack of skill in a PvP based game. Getttt outttaaa here with this mess. 

 

How about a real change, make you pass a pvp test to venture further in the game. If you aint ready you take ya self back to the imps in balenos and practice. 

Poster child for genuine gaming toxicity lol

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Any game with a system of progression like this will always have the same problem. Those who spend alot more time progressing will always be stronger. Adding in a equalizer will only devalue players time and effort even more. All i can suggest is learn your class better , get better gear, practice etc.

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9 hours ago, DemonShadow said:

Any game with a system of progression like this will always have the same problem. Those who spend alot more time progressing will always be stronger. Adding in a equalizer will only devalue players time and effort even more. All i can suggest is learn your class better , get better gear, practice etc.

Exactly, this is the sole reason why any equalizing should never happen. Although I place myself in the middle of the food chain, due to limited play time per week,  I'm usually able to hold my Gahaz spot until engaged by two angry party members or so. At the same time, people who have more time to play or more $$$ to spend and run TET gear already mop the floor with me almost all the time. It's fine, I wish I could be full tet but it doesn't change the fact that the grind spot domination is a reward for your hard work or spending a lot of money.

I know people who either play 18 hours a day since 1st of March or those who bought 100.000+ pearls since launch (nothing you can do about it). At least the game will thrive thanks to them. 

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If they take away the open world PvP then they can only flex in node wars or arena, seiges. , rbf. It would make bdo so much more fun and pvpers would have structured PvP its win win. 

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Some people enjoy the realism of the open world pvp. Particular since it allows them to role play as the outlaw etc. Besides the new pvp servers should minimize the amount of people seeking pvp in normal servers.

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On 6/18/2019 at 1:34 PM, DemonShadow said:

Any game with a system of progression like this will always have the same problem. Those who spend alot more time progressing will always be stronger. Adding in a equalizer will only devalue players time and effort even more. All i can suggest is learn your class better , get better gear, practice etc.

I said 3 (THREE) Players could not even damage ONE (1) Player. I have my 1000 hour time reward and 100 days played. I put my time in but I play 6 characters, so my time is not all in one, that said I also don't crack open my wallet every week and drop a grand on the game like some people do. 

All I asked for was for a gap closer not a bridge. You think I said "nerf the hell out of all the high-geared players!" I never said anything like that. I said that 3 v 1 at Awakened Levels should not be one sided, PVP must contain an element of risk or its pointless. The GAP is TOO BIG. I did not say there should not be a gap.

Once again the solution is not always "git gud". That is a pointless statement because not everyone can be at the same skill level, nor can everyone get good enough to bridge a gear gap that is too wide,  and if they think its all skill then players should not be afraid of a leveler.

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On 6/19/2019 at 12:19 PM, DemonShadow said:

Some people enjoy the realism of the open world pvp. Particular since it allows them to role play as the outlaw etc. Besides the new pvp servers should minimize the amount of people seeking pvp in normal servers.

The Arsha servers are simply a place for the OWPVPers that love to kill lower skilled/geared players to go and recover their Karma. That is all they are, shortly the server will get dominated by the biggest players/guilds for the 50% drop rate bonus and all the PKers will be back in the regular servers. Predators go where the prey is.

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All i said was that If you failed to even injure him with three people then you must of been way out classed. Most likely he knew how to play his class well and had much better gear. I would say arsha servers are more towards the people who dont want to lose karma for every person who jumps into their rotation while getting better rewards. IT may just be the server im on or how i play but i have never been attacked for any reason outside of being contested for a farming spot.

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I’m presuming some of these replies with salt are from ex PC elitists that can’t hold their own, loving the vein in forehead pulsing remark as it’s obvious some of these get guds are super angry about something and just due to the fact that knowledge usually implies a greater awareness, but they’re obviously unaware of the salt spewing from their tongues lmao

its true though dude, having full TRI and knowing rotations of your invincible and hyper armours helps to mitigate damage and just takes practice and also good spacing, but it also begs the question just how well geared this player was and if it’s one of the garbage salty pc players come over to Xbox for an easy ride rather than farm a more efficient farming spot!!!

my armour is full TET so I’m wondering if this salty wants a fight with me and if he does it’s obvious he’s spewing garbage and he’s TET himself or higher!!!

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On 6/19/2019 at 10:39 AM, Deathz Angel said:

If they take away the open world PvP then they can only flex in node wars or arena, seiges. , rbf. It would make bdo so much more fun and pvpers would have structured PvP its win win. 

People like "MrPay" have pumped thousands of real dollars into this game to flex in pvp. Unless pve'ers start shelling out that kind of cash, forget about it.

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14 minutes ago, AlreadyDead said:

People like "MrPay" have pumped thousands of real dollars into this game to flex in pvp. Unless pve'ers start shelling out that kind of cash, forget about it.

Lol yes he has definitely payed to win, the game devs love whales like that.

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