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Removal of Shai censorship

Do you want the original 'uncensored' models?  

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  1. 1. Do you want the original 'uncensored' models?



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I did copy, paste from PC version because it's a long history.

:: PLEASE READ ::
It has come to my attention that some people do not understand what the censorship is. Censorship comes in many forms and does not necessarily entail 'nudity'. The censorship on the Shai is entirely unnecessary as the costumes and outfits for them are not perverted in any way, shape, or form.

Please take a moment to read what others have posted and see any picture comparisons of the original models and what we were forced to deal with BEFORE making your vote.
:: THANK YOU ::



This isn't a request to adjust the censorship, nor is it a request to make it dye able. The censorship itself was pointless as one can tell just by looking at the latest costumes released to us from the pearl shop, since the route they took for the Shai is vastly different from what they went for with the other female classes. I don't see any of the 'sexy' or 'revealing' outfits that some people seemed to be afraid of, but rather cute and playful costumes that fit more with the Shai in general.

I made this thread as per the advice given to me by GM team, and it is a subject I feel strongly enough to fight for. The censorship they forced upon us, their customers and player base, is a terrible Frankenstein of a mess. It clashes with most, if not all, outfits and costumes and has a large problem of clipping through outfits especially when sitting or during certain poses. Or simply standing in place, with the case of some.

I don't understand the need of censorship in this day and age to begin with (why not censor Tamer for example? Something of a double standard I think) and the censorship does not affect the so called 'deviants' since they would likely just grab an uncensor patch or a.. nude patch.. and carry on with their ways. The censorship only affects the rest of us, the normal players that just want to purchase cute outfits for our Shai characters that -DO NOT- clash / clip / or just look plain hideous.


I had admittedly purchased pearls before the Shai officially released for us for the purpose of buying the life skill costumes since I wanted to change to a Shai for a main character, and another as a main life skiller. But because of the hideous chop job they did with the censorship, I haven't purchased anything for my Shai. Nor will I unless they remove the censorship. I'm sure there are others doing the same thing.. as they say if they don't listen to reason, speak with your wallets right?

So all I want is the original models returned to us that was intended for the Shai. No pointless censorship, it is an INSULT to us players. If that never happens, so be it. I simply will not spend a penny on my Shai, which is sad because I do like the outfits so far if not for the censorship.

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*Edited* Above picture is what someone posted on a thread (now locked) showing an example of the censorship clipping through their armor.

And below pictures showing the costumes for Shai (also showing that the censorship is unnecessary). Both pictures were provided by someone else.

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Also to let you know. We are the unique version (EU and NA) that have censure applied to Shai.

Edited by Shuum

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If you’ve seen the original and feel that way then that’s scary. Really wasn’t anything indecent with it.

edit: Usually when an eastern mmo changes something I can totally see why. Not the case here.

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10 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:

I think this is a definite PEDO Alert right here.

Comments as yours are totally irrelevant.

You only throwed cheap words without any argument.

3 hours ago, FL4K said:

If you’ve seen the original and feel that way then that’s scary. Really wasn’t anything indecent with it.

edit: Usually when an eastern mmo changes something I can totally see why. Not the case here.

This is the subject, there isn't anything indecent and we get punished with ugly censorship.

I won't buy anything for my Shai due this.

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6 minutes ago, Deathz Angel said:

The game is rated T for teens so it should be more censorship on other classes not just Shai. 

So can you clarify me, Why you think Shai need censor? 

You see normal to see white pants below her outfits?

I'll add more screenshots to clarify this.

Original without censor:

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With censor:

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here you can see also shoulders of Marigold outfit:

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18 minutes ago, Shuum said:

So can you clarify me, Why you think Shai need censor? 

You see normal to see white pants below her outfits?

I'll add more screenshots to clarify this.

Original without censor:

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With censor:

shleg-jpg.164360

here you can see also shoulders of Marigold outfit:

bd1-1-png.171670

 

In other words you want the Shias to show more skin. That is just f****** creepy. Period.

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20 minutes ago, AlreadyDead said:

In other words you want the Shias to show more skin. That is just f****** creepy. Period.

If they wear a swimsuit they had better wear t-shirts and pants underneath it. They can’t show any skin on their shoulders or legs because that would be just weird. /s

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19 minutes ago, FL4K said:

If they wear a swimsuit they had better wear t-shirts and pants underneath it. They can’t show any skin on their shoulders or legs because that would be just weird. /s

Yes they should wear t shirt and pants its game you should not want less clothes on fictional toon. So many pervs trying to get their kicks on games.

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2 minutes ago, Deathz Angel said:

Yes they should wear t shirt and pants its game you should not want less clothes on fictional toon. So many pervs trying to get their kicks on games.

I’m totally with you. No child should go to a beach or swimming pool unless they are wearing long t-shirts and pants under everything. Let alone a fictional short elf. /s

i weep for the future. This is so ridiculous. None of those dresses are indecent. They show shoulders and neck. I think people are projecting their own insecurities if they see anything wrong with the original.

If someone sees something like a lalafell (from ffxiv also rated teen) and sees that as perverted they have problems.

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3 hours ago, Deathz Angel said:

Yes they should wear t shirt and pants its game you should not want less clothes on fictional toon. So many pervs trying to get their kicks on games.

That is called ugly and cheap censorship applied. 

This is how it should looks Marigold outfit:

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I don't see anything wrong with original textures. Censure only are causing outfits looks worse because you can't customize the color of long shirt censorship.

3 hours ago, Deathz Angel said:

they should wear t shirt and pants its game you should not want less clothes

Nobody asked to wear less clothes..... Outfits and costumes are the same in all regions!

You have to take in mind this censhorsip only are doing Shai is wearing two suits. And not one.

Here you can see the default applied to our region:

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And this is from the others regions (7 Regions are using the default of KR and nobody cares or have problems with this, except sensitive people of our region overreacting Shai post) It's sad but the truth.

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But Hey! Why you don't overreact about theses images? Oh right, they're NPC.... Fictional characters.

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It might be censorship if the Shai wore more revealong clothes and then those clothes were changed to be less revealing 

Calling it censorship is more meme'ing than anything else. 

I do feel sorry for people that need to meme and copy memes in order to validate their life. 

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6 minutes ago, SoloTyrant said:

It might be censorship if the Shai wore more revealong clothes and then those clothes were changed to be less revealing 

Calling it censorship is more meme'ing than anything else. 

I do feel sorry for people that need to meme and copy memes in order to validate their life. 

Your first paragraph is exactly what happened with the Shai EU/NA release. So it is censorship? But you say calling it censorship is a Meme. I’m not sure of your point.

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5 minutes ago, FL4K said:

Your first paragraph is exactly what happened with the Shai EU/NA release. So it is censorship? But you say calling it censorship is a Meme. I’m not sure of your point.

 

I was going to change that since my post was put up before your pics/post loaded on my phone. 

I then reconsidered on this being the sort of conversation I want to have. 

The verbage still sounds meme-y to me, doubly so considering how far removed this version is from anything happening in KR

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I don't think PA can do anything about it since I believe Microsoft and Sony requested the censorship for said regions out fear of backlash. The fear of backlash can be blame on parents who don't properly see the content of a game before letting their children play a game rated Teen and above and then deflected blame to companies for releasing, or allowed to release, the games on said console. 

As far as the censorship done for the Shai, it is poorly done and it does clip through costumes. I don't want to spend real money on outfits that gets clipped through from poor censorship. Also note that all the Shais are full grown adults in the game and also note that even if the Shai models are used for the human children in the game that does not automatically make the Shais 5 years old. It all comes back to a discussion on whether or not Shais are considered midgets or not in the world of BDO. 

As far as removing the censorship goes it should stay but get an over haul to where it does not clip through costumes or outfits. Does not mean it should be fixed for when they're wearing regular armor as I think undergarments can be shown if they fit the pajama category. At which point it comes down purely to fashion and everyone has their own opinion on how their characters should look.

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Bumping this topic to the forefront Sony / PS4 players were unaware you even had Shai censorship until the most recent addition of cross play we had the normal Shai class as it was intended. The clipping is absolutely unacceptable I paid for a specific generic costume box probably to the tune of 6,000+ Pearls so I could be one of the very first Shai's on PS4 to have Venecil (before it was even in the pearl shop.) only to now have one of the longest dresses for a Shai in the game clipping with the leggings textures from censorship.

 

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No one on PS4 was even concerned about the Shai's provocative nature(or lack therof) and out of everyone that I asked-at least 80% of them didn't like the change. Which may cause me to move to PC where I can fix this problem myself on my end.

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I don't play this game very often anymore. This change basically guarantees I will never come back. I did purchase a few outfits for my Shai on ps4 and know they will look horrible with these changes because I played some on pc when shai was released. Wouldn't have bought them in the first place if I knew this would happen.

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I've been playing Shai exclusively for about 2 months and when I saw the change on March 4, I immediately searched this topic and found that it's still being talked about a year later. That night I went out and purchased a steam card so I could play it on PC. I played maybe an additional 4 days on PS4 and then I got off the game and haven't been on console since. I noticed the first time the Shai got censored(From the bra and panties thing to the pajamas) and I thought that was alright, I guess I understand.Her outfits are all burka/tunics anyway..But then the crossplay event came out and I noticed those horrible gray leggings that can't be dyed and I just couldn't stop thinking about how out of place it looks. I was very vocal about this issue as I sent multiple tickets to PA-I don't appreciate not having a decision or at least a toggle switch. I also don't agree on keeping Lingerie on a Tamer and then censoring a Shai, but nobody wants to talk about that.


This whole situation is just backwards, with performance on console is bad as it is right now, appeasing a small minority of SJW gamers should not be considered priority when they could be making sure the Archer awakening quest actually works, or that we can use the repair function without crashing.

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10 hours ago, Raytracing said:

I've been playing Shai exclusively for about 2 months and when I saw the change on March 4, I immediately searched this topic and found that it's still being talked about a year later. That night I went out and purchased a steam card so I could play it on PC. I played maybe an additional 4 days on PS4 and then I got off the game and haven't been on console since. I noticed the first time the Shai got censored(From the bra and panties thing to the pajamas) and I thought that was alright, I guess I understand.Her outfits are all burka/tunics anyway..But then the crossplay event came out and I noticed those horrible gray leggings that can't be dyed and I just couldn't stop thinking about how out of place it looks. I was very vocal about this issue as I sent multiple tickets to PA-I don't appreciate not having a decision or at least a toggle switch. I also don't agree on keeping Lingerie on a Tamer and then censoring a Shai, but nobody wants to talk about that.


This whole situation is just backwards, with performance on console is bad as it is right now, appeasing a small minority of SJW gamers should not be considered priority when they could be making sure the Archer awakening quest actually works, or that we can use the repair function without crashing.

So far I've yet to hear an official statement other than this happened (from the lack of answer.) because of Cross Play with Xbox?. I would like an official CM/GM/ Dev Answer of some sort the lack there of. Makes me uncertain for the future of my own playtime in this game and if I potentially should escalate this to Sony with the changing of ingame purchases.

Also while I cannot find the other forum post anymore While I was looking into the censorship issue the Xbox forum had a post on it I was able to did up that was page and pages long yet seems to have disappeared.It's aggravating I'm back and forth between wanting to quit BDO over it some sort of clarification would be nice, yet PA is silent. Since Day 1 on PS4 I've wanted ot Main a Shai, reserved my name for a Shai. The only thing that seems to work is to be vocal on the boards, and within the BDO console official discord. (as was seen with the Xbox Name Change solution.)

 

Edit : This entire thread had seemed to disappear for sometime I'm curious why we are allowed to discuss this again but with the silence from PA we will not know.

Edited by Foil Ornithopter
clarification* on the pecularity of not being able to find this topic I thought it was hidden / deleted by the CM/GM's/Dev's.
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On 10/20/2019 at 2:41 AM, Shuum said:

I did copy, paste from PC version because it's a long history.

:: PLEASE READ ::
It has come to my attention that some people do not understand what the censorship is. Censorship comes in many forms and does not necessarily entail 'nudity'. The censorship on the Shai is entirely unnecessary as the costumes and outfits for them are not perverted in any way, shape, or form.

Please take a moment to read what others have posted and see any picture comparisons of the original models and what we were forced to deal with BEFORE making your vote.
:: THANK YOU ::



This isn't a request to adjust the censorship, nor is it a request to make it dye able. The censorship itself was pointless as one can tell just by looking at the latest costumes released to us from the pearl shop, since the route they took for the Shai is vastly different from what they went for with the other female classes. I don't see any of the 'sexy' or 'revealing' outfits that some people seemed to be afraid of, but rather cute and playful costumes that fit more with the Shai in general.

I made this thread as per the advice given to me by GM team, and it is a subject I feel strongly enough to fight for. The censorship they forced upon us, their customers and player base, is a terrible Frankenstein of a mess. It clashes with most, if not all, outfits and costumes and has a large problem of clipping through outfits especially when sitting or during certain poses. Or simply standing in place, with the case of some.

I don't understand the need of censorship in this day and age to begin with (why not censor Tamer for example? Something of a double standard I think) and the censorship does not affect the so called 'deviants' since they would likely just grab an uncensor patch or a.. nude patch.. and carry on with their ways. The censorship only affects the rest of us, the normal players that just want to purchase cute outfits for our Shai characters that -DO NOT- clash / clip / or just look plain hideous.


I had admittedly purchased pearls before the Shai officially released for us for the purpose of buying the life skill costumes since I wanted to change to a Shai for a main character, and another as a main life skiller. But because of the hideous chop job they did with the censorship, I haven't purchased anything for my Shai. Nor will I unless they remove the censorship. I'm sure there are others doing the same thing.. as they say if they don't listen to reason, speak with your wallets right?

So all I want is the original models returned to us that was intended for the Shai. No pointless censorship, it is an INSULT to us players. If that never happens, so be it. I simply will not spend a penny on my Shai, which is sad because I do like the outfits so far if not for the censorship.

[IMG]

*Edited* Above picture is what someone posted on a thread (now locked) showing an example of the censorship clipping through their armor.

And below pictures showing the costumes for Shai (also showing that the censorship is unnecessary). Both pictures were provided by someone else.

[IMG]

You seem like a pedo to me for making such a fuss out of it. Can't you see this class is obviously a child and some people, perhaps even you judging by your outcry, may find it perverse?   Move on with your life. I would be the first to call caps to visit you if I knew where you live. 

Edited by Rocketfuel77777
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22 hours ago, Rocketfuel77777 said:

You seem like a pedo to me for making such a fuss out of it. Can't you see this class is obviously a child and some people, perhaps even you judging by your outcry, may find it perverse?   Move on with your life. I would be the first to call caps to visit you if I knew where you live. 

So then tell me why you look at it like it's perverse? It's a child--completely false by the way, but we'll roll with it a second...So because to you this character is a child, her already modest apparel is already causing thoughts of sex within your mind? You mean to tell me that you won't accept anything less than a middle eastern hijab on your Shai? 

People like to throw that word around, but then they can't put up any solid defense for it. We are playing an RPG game-like Dungeons and Dragons. This character is a 40 year old elf, that's it-that's the role that is assumed. There's no need to mummify the Shai, just learn how to block people on World Chat.

That's how all this started-some stupid players got on WC and SC and started saying things like "selling shai toe pics" and that turned into them covering more of her skin-all because the sensitive snowflakes were too bothered to figure out how to use chat properly.

Edited by Raytracing

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44 minutes ago, Raytracing said:

So then tell me why you look at it like it's perverse? It's a child--completely false by the way, but we'll roll with it a second...So because to you this character is a child, her already modest apparel is already causing thoughts of sex within your mind? You mean to tell me that you won't accept anything less than a middle eastern hijab on your Shai? 

People like to throw that word around, but then they can't put up any solid defense for it. We are playing an RPG game-like Dungeons and Dragons. This character is a 40 year old elf, that's it-that's the role that is assumed. There's no need to mummify the Shai, just learn how to block people on World Chat.

That's how all this started-some stupid players got on WC and SC and started saying things like "selling shai toe pics" and that turned into them covering more of her skin-all because the sensitive snowflakes were too bothered to figure out how to use chat properly.

I just take for granted that if someone is making a huge deal out of it probably faps to shai or tamer. That's it. 

Creeps. 

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