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No even sure if this is out yet on console, but on PC a new pearl shop pack was added that gives you Crons, Artisans, Mem Frags, Valks & a 40fs called Master of Enhancement Pack.

Pretty transparent P2W item being added to the game & the first time a fail stack has been sold directly in the cash shop. 40fs is nothing you might say, bit it shows PAs intentions for the future. Won't be long until you can buy 60/80/100/100+ stacks.

Maybe when they start selling high fail stacks directly it will finally convince the pay for convenience camp that the game is p2w, but I'm sure they'll somehow manage to justify it to themselves.

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You can convert cash into silver already through outfits.

You can create high fail stacks with silver or just buy items out right.

 

You seem to think minor boosts to enhancing is a game breaking occurrence. Selling outfits already yields the parts or silver needed to accomplish anything you are hating on today

 

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A costume brings 111.000.000 silver for 30 Euro.

A full TET Set (BIS gear) cost max. price:

14.550.000.000 silver = 3930 Euro

+ accessoirs full TET BIS + alchemy stone (ap) cost max price:

53.360.000.000 silver = 14400 Euro

= 18330 Euro

Only TET no PEN. No pets, horse sets ect. peanuts btw.

If someone pay and buy it, I will say thank you to keep game alive.

Its OK but where is the fun....

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18 hours ago, Valderama said:

A costume brings 111.000.000 silver for 30 Euro.

A full TET Set (BIS gear) cost max. price:

14.550.000.000 silver = 3930 Euro

+ accessoirs full TET BIS + alchemy stone (ap) cost max price:

53.360.000.000 silver = 14400 Euro

= 18330 Euro

Only TET no PEN. No pets, horse sets ect. peanuts btw.

If someone pay and buy it, I will say thank you to keep game alive.

Its OK but where is the fun....

That's some really needed math here. Thanks to this, I hope that some people realize how much one actually needs to spend to truly P2W in this game. 

And as you say, as much as I don't necessarily appreciate pearl shop whales, they are needed to keep the game alive. 

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6 hours ago, Rocketfuel77777 said:

That's some really needed math here. Thanks to this, I hope that some people realize how much one actually needs to spend to truly P2W in this game. 

And as you say, as much as I don't necessarily appreciate pearl shop whales, they are needed to keep the game alive. 

Lol how is p2w & whales needed to keep the game alive? This is a common argument from pro p2w players that you see all the time. Having a game that's p2w actually kills the game in the long run because the more p2w the game gets the more people leave (which BDO has been consistently doing for years now on PC).

Having a fair game that doesn't sell power in the form of gambling in the cash shop is what keeps a game alive, along with meaningful end game content & good expansions (which BDO fails to deliver in all areas btw).

No one is going to buy costumes to gear a character, it's obviously going to be much cheaper using Crons from costumes so it's an unrealistic figure.  A costume is worth 110m correct (soon it will be 250m like PC), but the material value is almost 500m in Crons. 

But sure keep defending a game developers that can't even deliver a finished product to console. They really need that money to keep the game running. God forbid they take a small cut in the 1 billion in profits they made to deliver a game that has fair systems in place that doesn't allow players to become god with a credit card.

BDO community is pathetic, I've never came across a gaming community that's so pro p2w as this one.

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28 minutes ago, OKAYIGETITNOW said:

Lol how is p2w & whales needed to keep the game alive? This is a common argument from pro p2w players that you see all the time. Having a game that's p2w actually kills the game in the long run because the more p2w the game gets the more people leave (which BDO has been consistently doing for years now on PC).

Having a fair game that doesn't sell power in the form of gambling in the cash shop is what keeps a game alive, along with meaningful end game content & good expansions (which BDO fails to deliver in all areas btw).

No one is going to buy costumes to gear a character, it's obviously going to be much cheaper using Crons from costumes so it's an unrealistic figure.  A costume is worth 110m correct (soon it will be 250m like PC), but the material value is almost 500m in Crons. 

But sure keep defending a game developers that can't even deliver a finished product to console. They really need that money to keep the game running. God forbid they take a small cut in the 1 billion in profits they made to deliver a game that has fair systems in place that doesn't allow players to become god with a credit card.

BDO community is pathetic, I've never came across a gaming community that's so pro p2w as this one.

Whales are needed cause they keep the money going. You are delusional if you think that PA can make ends meet just by selling Black Desert. I'm sure that copies of the game which were sold since March 2019 barely covered cost of development or brought marginal profit, at most. The real money to keep the servers running comes from pearl. You know it but you choose to stay in the state of denial. 

The game has no other way to earn money after initial sale like wow does so cash shop is needed. 

No one is forcing you to play, your statement clearly shows the game isn't for you.  

Small edit to complete my post. I would gladly see BDO switching to monthly fee like wow but it's probably not happening. Also, they would have to rework gear progression system if they were to go pay to play model. 

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On 1/13/2020 at 1:46 PM, Rocketfuel77777 said:

Whales are needed cause they keep the money going. You are delusional if you think that PA can make ends meet just by selling Black Desert. I'm sure that copies of the game which were sold since March 2019 barely covered cost of development or brought marginal profit, at most. The real money to keep the servers running comes from pearl. You know it but you choose to stay in the state of denial. 

The game has no other way to earn money after initial sale like wow does so cash shop is needed. 

No one is forcing you to play, your statement clearly shows the game isn't for you.  

Small edit to complete my post. I would gladly see BDO switching to monthly fee like wow but it's probably not happening. Also, they would have to rework gear progression system if they were to go pay to play model. 

Nah I don't believe you need to make a game p2w to make money especially when the game costs money to buy in the first place. Add in the hidden subscription & other elements of the cash shop and they're basically milking as much as they can from the playerbase. PC is even worse, so console will follow. Plenty of other games & MMOs that have been around a lot longer than BDO that seem to manage fine without P2W.

Maybe I'm just old school & like to play a game with fair systems in place that doesn't sell power for real £$€.

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On 1/17/2020 at 9:07 PM, OKAYIGETITNOW said:

Nah I don't believe you need to make a game p2w to make money especially when the game costs money to buy in the first place. Add in the hidden subscription & other elements of the cash shop and they're basically milking as much as they can from the playerbase. PC is even worse, so console will follow. Plenty of other games & MMOs that have been around a lot longer than BDO that seem to manage fine without P2W.

Maybe I'm just old school & like to play a game with fair systems in place that doesn't sell power for real £$€.

The thing that you're still somehow not getting after months and months, is that they're only speeding up the process. Spending money on outfits doesn't immediately guarantee a successful enhancement, especially going from Tri to TeT. 

I'm not as diehard a p2w naysayer as I was, purely because I'm full Tri and hitting TeT seems impossible without cash crons. But I still believe its P4C. 

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9 hours ago, Yiazzy said:

The thing that you're still somehow not getting after months and months, is that they're only speeding up the process. Spending money on outfits doesn't immediately guarantee a successful enhancement, especially going from Tri to TeT. 

I'm not as diehard a p2w naysayer as I was, purely because I'm full Tri and hitting TeT seems impossible without cash crons. But I still believe its P4C. 

Yeah mate I get it. You pay cash to get items that would take at least 3+ years to get i.e full PEN not TET. As a comparison if WOW implemented a system where you could pay for unlimited personal rerolls in Mythic raid loot would you consider that pay to win or just speeding up the process? Because it's exactly the same thing as what BDO offers.

No disrespect mate but you're a life skiller & always have been. You still have TRI gear & I really don't think you're in a position to see the impact p2w had early Valencia when you had guilds like Alpha effectively shut players out of zones because the guild was riddled with p2w players pretending they were something special.

The fact of the matter is that this game is constantly looking to implement more p2w items. I mean this enhancement pack is just the start. First they throw out a 40 FS to gauge the reaction of the playerbase. Next thing you know in a few months you have a 40, 50, 80, 100, 120 option. It's pretty obvious the company is gearing up towards full on no frills p2w. Most likely because Crimson Desert will be coming out and they want to milk the remaining time as much as possible.

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You simply lack perspective, but you are the OP so you are free to rant as needed, even if your view is a bit radical.

Failstacks can be measured in silver and time. The 2 things money can essentially replace.

They give out 40 stacks for free every month. Come back when its higher and I can agree with you then.

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On 1/25/2020 at 6:04 PM, OKAYIGETITNOW said:

Yeah mate I get it. You pay cash to get items that would take at least 3+ years to get i.e full PEN not TET. As a comparison if WOW implemented a system where you could pay for unlimited personal rerolls in Mythic raid loot would you consider that pay to win or just speeding up the process? Because it's exactly the same thing as what BDO offers.

No disrespect mate but you're a life skiller & always have been. You still have TRI gear & I really don't think you're in a position to see the impact p2w had early Valencia when you had guilds like Alpha effectively shut players out of zones because the guild was riddled with p2w players pretending they were something special.

The fact of the matter is that this game is constantly looking to implement more p2w items. I mean this enhancement pack is just the start. First they throw out a 40 FS to gauge the reaction of the playerbase. Next thing you know in a few months you have a 40, 50, 80, 100, 120 option. It's pretty obvious the company is gearing up towards full on no frills p2w. Most likely because Crimson Desert will be coming out and they want to milk the remaining time as much as possible.

The fact the stacks are being sold in cash shop is not something dreadfully wrong. I mean, you can roll a valencia alt and get a bunch of those in two hours and you will end up with 30s 20s and a 50 stack for free. Why bother buying a 40 stack for money? Now, if they bring 100 stack to the shop that will be something more meaningful but still, any stack gives you a chance to get the enhancement through. This 100 stack may as well quickly become 200-300 stack cause odds of getting PEN are slim.

The real P2W is croning PEN attempts with unlimited money spent on costumes. We have full PEN people in EU who one shot 550 GS players in RBF and this is what we should fight against, not argue over a stupid 40 stack. 

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10 hours ago, Rocketfuel77777 said:

The fact the stacks are being sold in cash shop is not something dreadfully wrong. I mean, you can roll a valencia alt and get a bunch of those in two hours and you will end up with 30s 20s and a 50 stack for free. Why bother buying a 40 stack for money? Now, if they bring 100 stack to the shop that will be something more meaningful but still, any stack gives you a chance to get the enhancement through. This 100 stack may as well quickly become 200-300 stack cause odds of getting PEN are slim.

The real P2W is croning PEN attempts with unlimited money spent on costumes. We have full PEN people in EU who one shot 550 GS players in RBF and this is what we should fight against, not argue over a stupid 40 stack. 

Yeah that's obviously the biggest P2W element of the game. I know a 40 stack means nothing, but the reason I think it's significant is because they haven't sold any fail stacks before. That's why I think they're testing the waters with it and will eventually add bigger fail stacks. I mean having the ability to buy a 100 stack & Cron would be the ultimate combination for PEN attempts. 

 

I guess we'll see over the coming months how far they will go as Crimson Desert gets closer.

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